Editing Online Developer Meeting (2022-02-22)

* Date: Tuesday, Feburary 22, 2022 @ 18:00 UTC
* Location: https://meet.jit.si/octave-dev

== Todays topics ==

* Meet and greet 5 minutes before meeting (audio testing).

=== Release process of Octave 7.1 ===

* Blocking issues: 8 open bugs targeting 7.0.90, 3 marked as "ready for test" (see [https://octave.space/savannah/# Savannah overview on octave.space])
* Good progress on some of the blocking issues by jwe. Most important remaining ones:
** bug {{bug|61788}}: arrays of type int16 contain wrong numbers
*** The <code>:</code>-operator will probably be changed to return an array (instead of a range object) before Octave 7. Not started yet. jwe summarized options for the release in comment #18 of the bug report.
** bug {{bug|61813}}: memory management bug when calling MEX that returns an output
*** @jwe check in a fix that will also revert to copying data in the .mex interface (less efficient, but also the way it has always been done until now) unless Octave is compiled with C++17 pmr.
*** This also avoids the <code>malloc</code>-<code>operator delete[]</code> mismatch.
*** Confirmed fixed now.
** bug {{bug|61821}}: segfault using tree_parameter_list in oct file
*** Lower priority, only 32-bit (only on Windows?). Maybe a compiler bug? Probably not a blocker.
** bug {{bug|61898}}: subsref: Error when field syntax is used on non-scalar @class object
*** Not a bug in Octave core. Recent changes to output argument validation uncovered an issue in interval package.
** Similar bug {{bug|61843}}: Regression with subscripted assignments with arrays of objects
*** Older regression.
** Use suffix for API string when it requires C++17 pmr?

=== Minimum Qt5 version for Octave 8? ===

* See [https://octave.discourse.group/t/qt5-15-already-unsupported-upstream-except-commercial-license/737/15 Qt5.15 already unsupported upstream (except commercial license)?]

=== Where to announce package updates now? ===

* See [https://octave.discourse.group/t/2246 Do we still announce new OF package releases and if yes, where?]

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=== Release process of Octave 7.1 ===

* Blocking issues: 9 bugs targeting 7.0.90 (see [https://octave.space/savannah/# Savannah overview on octave.space])
* Most important ones (in no particular order):
** bug {{bug|61788}}: arrays of type int16 contain wrong numbers
*** The <code>:</code>-operator will probably be changed to return an array (instead of a range object) before Octave 7.
** bug {{bug|61813}}: memory management bug when calling MEX that returns an output
*** Probably caused by changes for more efficient data interface for .mex files.  @jwe will check this.
** Possible issues if Octave is compiled with C++17 (<code>--enable-pmr-polymorphic-allocator</code>), while .oct files are not.
*** Maybe change the API string if Octave is configured with polymorphic allocators?
*** Leave that option in. But disable it by default. (That is already the current state.)
** <code>malloc</code>-<code>delete[]</code> combination in the .mex interface
*** No decision made. Maybe leave as is?
** bug {{bug|61821}}: segfault using tree_parameter_list in oct file
*** Check if we are doing something wrong for 32bit. Probably not a blocker.
** bug {{bug|61898}}: subsref: Error when field syntax is used on non-scalar @class object
*** Try finding a minimal reproducer (without interval package). Similar bug {{bug|61843}} reported.  
* A few package releases with fixes for Octave 7 were pushed to the default branch of MXE Octave, e.g. https://hg.octave.org/mxe-octave/rev/d601436d29f2 (ga, control, communications)
** Should those changes be grafted to the "release" branch?  -YES.
* Revisit load path caching: https://octave.discourse.group/t/rfc-remove-faulty-load-path-caching/2136
** Improving the caching strategy is the way to go (see e.g. bug {{bug|54636}}).
** Long-term: A complete overhaul of the load path caching implementation is probably necessary.

=== C++17 features in Octave API? ===

* Timeframe?
** When qt6 is distributed? - Probably bad strategy (Debian/Ubuntu and even Arch have trouble with qt6).
** Regarding stable=stale Linux distributions.
* Should we announce that possible requirement for some time in the future with the release of Octave 7?
* See also: [https://octave.discourse.group/t/should-octave-switch-to-c-17-if-so-when/2114 Should Octave switch to C++17? If so, when?] on Discourse.
* We'll start an experiment by enabling polymorphic allocators for default Octave on the default branch of MXE Octave. We'll evaluate if the necessary changes to dependent packages are trivial.

=== GSOC 2022 opening soon ===

* In this wiki [[GSoC]] (landing page) and [[Summer of Code]] (past projects).

* [https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline GSOC 2022 Timeline] (Feb 7-21 is Org application window, acceptances announced Mar 7.)
* 2022 changes - after shifting to shorter projects in 2021, GSOC now allows flexible project/time commitments from 10-22 wks (12 standard, org/mentor flexibility on milestone dates).
* [https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq GSOC FAQ] (took note that the organization does get a small stipend for participating... helping a bit to offset yearly infrastructure costs)
* Past projects at other orgs ranged quite widely in scope, especially with change to smaller projects in 2021:
** some were often a part of big tasks. Are there bigger octave goals that could be parted out for a GSOC task? parts of classdef, or graphics handles, or a new command window, or dare we suggest JIT?
** Some amounted to "tackle all the bugs related to X". Are there bug categories or unimplemented function categories (that might require particular coding or mathematical knowledge) worth directing particular focus on? 'the unimplemented interpolant classes/functions' or 'unimplemented image package functions related to feature recognition' or ... 
** "complete this unfinished thing" tasks (prior gsoc? pkg related? the 'did you mean' feature?) 
* Thinking ahead, 'Google Season of Docs' has typically announced/opened their program in Feb-March.  Are there small/large doc projects worth getting into GSOD so a paid freelance technical writer/coder can take it on for 6-9 months? Successful examples ranging from document creation to doc infrastructure - [https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/participants 2021] [https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/2020/participants 2020] [https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/2019/participants 2019]
* Please find small / partial contributions (also m-files) that help you with your current projects on Octave.
** HDF5 project?
** Time to specify the task lacks...

== See also ==

* Next meeting: [[Online Developer Meeting (2022-03-22)]]
* Last meeting: [[Online Developer Meeting (2022-01-25)]]

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