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* Meet and greet 5 minutes before meeting (audio testing).
* Meet and greet 5 minutes before meeting (audio testing).


=== Switch this meeting to more casual format ===
=== First topic to discuss ===
 
* In the future notes of the talks will be added to this wiki in a more sparse fashion.
 
=== liboctave ===
 
* Make more use of STL
* Not all liboctave components can be replaced by STL containers, as the ND-indexing is not supported.
* <code>string_vector</code> class probably replaceable by STL containers.
 
=== Tips for Octave C++ code writers ===
 
Such as packages, toolboxes, etc.
 
* Prefer <code>OCTAVE_LOCAL_BUFFER</code> over heavy-weight <code>Array</code> object to store results of (Fortran-) library calls.
* Prefer <code>octave_value</code> type variables over internal data structures.
** Examples: Function handle class and Range class.
 
=== For package maintainers ===
 
* Do not use <code>error_state</code> anymore! https://octave.discourse.group/t/eliminating-use-of-error-state-in-octave-code/1515
* Do not suppress compiler warnings about deprecated features today, those are the bug reports of tomorrow, when it is too late.
 
=== octave namespace ===
 
* jwe made many breaking changes on the default branch moving symbols in the octave namespace, to keep the namespaces tidy.
 
=== Deprecations ===
 
* The operators <code>.+</code>, <code>.-</code>, and <code>**</code> https://octave.discourse.group/t/deprecating-fortran-style-exponent-operator/1516 will be deprecated.
 
=== Trolling ===
 
* In case of trolling behavior of users, please mark the thread, thus a Discourse admin can close the threat and mute the user.
** DO NOT FEED THE TROLL: Any further answer or conversation is most likely a waste of emotions and time.
* Any user violating the usage conditions https://octave.discourse.group/tos#heading--conditions will be muted or removed from the forum entirely.
 
=== Code sprints ===
 
* Wish for more code sprints, e.g.,
** "m_" convention https://octave.discourse.group/t/using-m-prefix-for-member-variables-in-c-classes/1517/17
** Close easy closable bugs [[Short_projects#Easy_Closes]]


== Previous topics ==
== Previous topics ==
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* No "official" announcement happened.  Maybe reuse abandoned mailing-lists to announce important events, such as releases.
* No "official" announcement happened.  Maybe reuse abandoned mailing-lists to announce important events, such as releases.
* How do distribution maintainers get to know about Octave releases?
* How do distribution maintainers get to know about Octave releases?
** Contact Debian maintainers of the Octave package to maybe improve our communication.
** Contact Debian maintainers of the Octave package to maybe improve our communication (Kai).
*** Done, already answered: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/octave-maintainers/2021-07/msg00001.html


=== Octave 6.4 / 7 / 8 ===
=== Octave 6.4 / 7 / 8 ===
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** jwe will continue to work on this feature on Octave 7 (default branch)
** jwe will continue to work on this feature on Octave 7 (default branch)
** If feature cannot be completed by the end of the year, it will be disabled on parser-level (error), and introduced in Octave 8 one year later.
** If feature cannot be completed by the end of the year, it will be disabled on parser-level (error), and introduced in Octave 8 one year later.
* [https://octave.discourse.group/t/new-command-window-widget/501? New GUI command widget]
* New GUI command widget
** Possible to introduce it as user opt-in in Octave 7
** Possible to introduce it as user opt-in in Octave 7
** Pending issues:
** Pending issues:
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* Deprecation of Octave operators
* Deprecation of Octave operators
** Improve Matlab compatibility
** Improve Matlab compatibility
** Some extensions make it painful to implement Matlab compatible command-style function calls? See also the [https://octave.discourse.group/t/parsing-command-style-function-call-syntax/1414/7 discussion] about this topic.
** Some extensions make it painful to implement Matlab compatible command-style function calls? (some clarification needed)
*** Remove rarely used extensions like "**" power.
*** Remove rarely used extensions like "**" power.
*** Discussion about removal of "+=", "++", etc.  No final decision made.
*** Discussion about removal of "+=", "++", etc.  No final decision made.
*** Often used extensions must probably stay (like "!" or "!=" used in place of "~" or "~=").
*** Often used extensions like "!" == "~" must probably stay.


=== C++ shared pointer / liboctave ===
=== C++ shared pointer / liboctave ===
* jwe had a look at Octave own reference counting
* jwe had a look at Octave own reference counting
* Wish to replace it with C++ shared pointers
* Wish to replace it with C++ shared pointers
* Expert knowledge wanted! jwe opened a [https://octave.discourse.group/t/using-std-shared-ptr-t-to-implement-copy-on-write-objects-in-octave/1436 discussion thread]
* Expert knowledge wanted!
* jwe identified "copy expensive" inefficiency about mxArray to octave_value conversion? Root of the trouble lies in historical handling of complex data? See this [https://octave.discourse.group/t/improving-performance-of-data-transfer-to-and-from-mex-functions/1437 discussion].
** jwe will reach out on Discourse about the exact problems.
* jwe identified "copy expensive" inefficiency about mxArray to octave_value conversion? (some clarification needed)
** Root of the trouble lies in historical handling of complex data?? (some clarification needed)


== See also ==
== See also ==
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