Online Developer Meeting (2021-08-24): Difference between revisions

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Abdallah finished his project https://abdallah-elshamy.github.io/GSoC-2021/ (no talk planned, just for your information).
Our GSoC projects are not attractive, number of student application is decreasing.
Other interesting ways to attract more developers?

Nice contribution by an anonymous user: Short projects#Easy Closes
- If no other topics are more urgent, let's go through some items and let's try to close at least 10 of them 😇

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No "official" announcement happened. Maybe reuse abandoned mailing-lists to announce important events, such as releases.
How do distribution maintainers get to know about Octave releases?
- Contact Debian maintainers of the Octave package to maybe improve our communication.
  - Done, already answered: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/octave-maintainers/2021-07/msg00001.html

Discussion how to continue with the development.
- jwe wants to introduce breaking changes (see below).
Octave should stick with the ~yearly major release cycle
- Probably no Octave 6.4 (only if severe bugs occur).
- Octave 7 (default branch)
  - Should no longer receive "very" breaking changes (e.g. String-class for Octave 8)
  - Has about 305 bugs fixed (not 100% reliable figure) and should not wait another year until many bigger outstanding changes happen (will be deferred to Octave 8)
  - Tentative plan:
    - November 2021 merge default to stable.
    - End of 2021 release of Octave 7
- Octave 8 (new default branch)
  - No clear decision how to handle very breaking changes until November 2021 merge default to stable. Depends on future needs.

Function argument parsing (introduced in Matlab R2019b, rather new)
- jwe will continue to work on this feature on Octave 7 (default branch)
- If feature cannot be completed by the end of the year, it will be disabled on parser-level (error), and introduced in Octave 8 one year later.
New GUI command widget
- Possible to introduce it as user opt-in in Octave 7
- Pending issues:
  - Command-widget does not look like the previous one (textbox for command input)
  - jwe needs better looking widget (avoid developing a new one)
  - No possibility to run external applications (like emacs, pager), which is already partially broken now. Need to implement own paging strategy (scroll bars, etc.)
Deprecation of Octave operators
- Improve Matlab compatibility
- Some extensions make it painful to implement Matlab compatible command-style function calls? See also the discussion about this topic.
  - Remove rarely used extensions like "**" power.
  - Discussion about removal of "+=", "++", etc. No final decision made.
  - Often used extensions must probably stay (like "!" or "!=" used in place of "~" or "~=").

jwe had a look at Octave own reference counting
Wish to replace it with C++ shared pointers
Expert knowledge wanted! jwe opened a discussion thread
jwe identified "copy expensive" inefficiency about mxArray to octave_value conversion? Root of the trouble lies in historical handling of complex data? See this discussion.

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 === Community bounding / GSoC (Kai) ===
-* Just for your information: Abdallah finished his project https://abdallah-elshamy.github.io/GSoC-2021/ (no talk planned, just for your information).
+* Abdallah finished his project https://abdallah-elshamy.github.io/GSoC-2021/ (no talk planned, just for your information).
 * Our [[GSoC]] projects are not attractive, number of student application is decreasing.
 * Other interesting ways to attract more developers?